Re: [A ChristianVsAtheist Club] GUY-THERE'S A REWARD OF $1 MIL TO PROVE GHOSTS

loco man,
LOL..that site is great! Please let others know.

mangum

--- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, "The_Dhampire_LOGOS"
<the_dhampire_logos@...> wrote:
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> I have a similar cash prize offer on the bottom of my webpage.
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> http://www.christianityisevil.com
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> I'm offering $10,000.00.
>
> However, I'm not sure Randy's offer still stands. I read a few
months
> back that he's proved his point and plans on using those funds for
> something else. if I remember correctly, I think he plans on
> discontinuing the offer at the tenth anniversary of it's inception.
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> LOGOS
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> --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, Judy Weismonger
> <weismonger@> wrote:
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> > GUY, THERE IS A REWARD OF $1 MILLION DOLLARS TO PROVE THE
EXISTENCE
> OF GOD, GHOSTS, THE DEVIL, SATAN, DEMONS, MIRACLES, ANGELS, ESP,
> TELEPATHY, CARD READING, RELIGIOUS PROPHECY, MAGIC, LEVITATION,
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> EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGION AND SUPERSTITION....
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> > THIS REWARD BY THE "AMAZING RANDI" HAS BEEN OUT IN THE PUBLIC FOR
> AT LEAST 20 YEARS...AND ALTHOUGH A FEW HAVE TRIED TO FOOL THE
AMAZING
> RANDI...THEY HAVE NOT, AND WHEN SUCH EXTRA ORDINARY OCCURENCES ARE
> ATTEMPTED IN THE LABORATORY UNDER CONDITIONS WHERE THEY CANNOT
> CHEAT...NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVE SUCH THINGS EXIST.
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> > our belief that angels are unproven in light of new evidence. In
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> > a woman sees an angel on a security camera monitor, and her
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> > How about.. a poorly adjusted camera, medical science, and the
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> > I see no evidence of angels there. In fact, I don't even know what
> > an angel is. Fortunately, NBC chose to ask that question, and the
> > answer given by the post-modernist rabbi was ultimately "they can
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> > anything." How nice. I think I'll stick with believing the only
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> > In this December 24, 2008 interview for the book The ESP Enigma:
> The Scientific Case for Psychic Phenomena, TIME magazine offers the
> following summary:
> > In her new book The ESP Enigma: The Scientific Case for Psychic
> Phenomena,
> > former Harvard professor Diane Hennacy combines philosophy,
physics,
> > and empirical data to examine supernatural traits like telepathy
> (the
> > ability to access someone else's consciousness), psychokinesis
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> > clairvoyance (the ability to broaden one's consciousness to
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> > So far, so good. Yes.. let's examine these things in a scientific
> > fashion.. The author, Diane Hennacy Powell is an MD and is
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> > with Harvard University. To be clear, I have not read the book,
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> > this interview is any indication, it will not be going on the
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> > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Guy Becker <primas_4@> wrote:
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> > From: Guy Becker <primas_4@>
> > Subject: Re: [A ChristianVsAtheist Club] Re: Atheism’s Theistic
> Concepts--YEAH? LIKE WHAT?
> > To: achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:59 AM
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> > Dear Logos and Ken,
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> > I agree with you, Logos, regarding the Deists.  The whole concept
> smacks of, if it doesn't outright admit, a god or some sort or
> another.  That would make it theistic.
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> > As "atheism" is simply--no more or less--than a negation of a
> single given premise regarding the existence of gods,
one's "atheist
> license" isn't revoked because of ghosts.
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> > There are naturalistic explanations, even if they are absurd, as
to
> how ghosts and the like exist.
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> > In that sense, it seems to me that these beliefs are
superstitious
> (or perhaps just misinformed if one works within a naturalistic
model
> to explain these paranormal events), as Ken put it.  They are not
> exclusively theistic or religious in nature, though they are oft
> intertwined.
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> > Even if the atheist held no naturalistic views regarding the
> existence of the "paranormal, " it still seems only fair to adhere
to
> a rather literal approach to atheism.
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> > If not, then it almost becomes necessary to give the theists
points
> for confusing asserting a new premise and negating an old one.
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> > Respectfully yours,
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> > Guy
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> > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, The_Dhampire_ LOGOS <the_dhampire_
> logos@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> > From: The_Dhampire_ LOGOS <the_dhampire_ logos@yahoo. com>
> >
> > Subject: [A ChristianVsAtheist Club] Re: Atheism’s Theistic
> Concepts--YEAH? LIKE WHAT?
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> > To: achristianvsatheist club@yahoogroups .com
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> > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:49 PM
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> > --- In achristianvsatheist club@yahoogroups .com, "mundanezen"
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> > <gutrek@> wrote:
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> > > --- In achristianvsatheist club@yahoogroups .com,
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> > "The_Dhampire_ LOGOS"
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> > > <the_dhampire_ logos@> wrote:
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> > > > Yep, I find it interesting too. It's interesting to me that
> many
> >
> > of
> >
> > > > the "popular" world religions have 'gods' that are
> >
> > busy with
> >
> > their
> >
> > > > own affairs and people are an afterthought at best. They
aren't
> >
> > all
> >
> > > > that instrumental to us having a happy afterlife. Take the
> older
> >
> > > > versions of Buddhism for instance. We can reincarnate into
> >
> > anything
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> > > > from devils on up to 'gods' (Devi, Deva), but it's Karma
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> > that is
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> > the
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> > > > great equalizer and doles out justice. A Thai can pray to the
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> > White
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> > > > Tara for a loan/gift of "merit" (grace?) in order to adjust
> >
> > that
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> > > > cosmic score card a little bit, but in the end we're supposed
> to
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> > get
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> > > > what we deserve and it's largely out of the hands of the
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> > 'gods'.
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> > [[> I think a lot of the supernatural Buddhist beliefs are
baggage
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> > from Hinduism. ]]
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> > Yup, it is, and higher and lower beings is a part of
reincarnation.
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> > [[For me the purpose of Buddhism, as well as any religion, is
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> > > the practice, zazen being the Zen form. Hinduism has ita yoga
> >
> > > practice. Catholicism has its contemplative Carmelite order.
> >
> > They're
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> > > all doing something (which ironically is often sitting still
and
> >
> > doing
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> > > nothing) in order to understand themselves better. By that
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> > definition
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> > > you could argue that various psychology exercises are a form of
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> > > religious practice, I suppose.]]
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> > I've heard it said that the Tibetan version of Buddhism has a
form
> of
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> > belief examination (much like the Socratic Method) that resembles
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> > Cognitive Therapy.
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> > [[> What I don't understand is the "just believe" crowd.
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> > You're
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> > supposed
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> > > to just believe in supernatural events, entities, symbols, and
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> > rituals
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> > > without reasonable evidence? And then wait around for some
future
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> > > magical event that will save you and other believers? I don't
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> > > understand how people over the age of ten fall for this stuff.]]
> >
> >
> > Yup. Once you believe you're convinced, then you'll find that
> >
> > you're
> >
> > convinced, but only if you believe it first. ;-)
> >
> >
> > That's classic cult-think. 'god'/Jesus doesn't send you to
> >
> > heaven for
> >
> > feeding the poor, but rather for believing something very silly
> >
> > instead. In theory, Gandhi is in hell while Hitler could have had
a
> >
> > death-bed repentance and be in heaven right now, when it was
Gandhi
> >
> > who fed the widows and orphans and turned the other cheek.
Where's
> >
> > the justice in that?
> >
> >
> > [[> But I digress. Is it possible to be non-religious yet not an
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> > atheist?
> >
> > > I'm still not clear on that. Like I said, you could have
people
> >
> > who
> >
> > > believe in some supernatural stuff, like ghosts, but who don't
> >
> > worship
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> > > them. Wouldn't those people just be called superstitious?
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> > > Ken]]
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> > The only example I'm aware of, of people who are non-religious
non-
> >
> > atheists would be deists, who believe in a "creator" who set the
> big
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> > bang in motion (one might say) and then took a train out of town
> and
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> > isn't taking any messages.
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> > I consider religion as the belief that some "supernatural" or
> magical
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> >
> > agents or forces control human destiny, and religious practice is
> to
> >
> > either (a) appeal to these agents or forces to affect their
> destiny,
> >
> > or (b) to live in harmony with these forces (like with the Tao
or,
> in
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> > some sense, Karma) in an effort to live a better destiny. It
seems
> to
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> > me that deism wouldn't be religious but it would be theistic.
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