Re: [A ChristianVsAtheist Club] GUY-THERE'S A REWARD OF $1 MIL TO PROVE GHOSTS

I have a similar cash prize offer on the bottom of my webpage.

http://www.christianityisevil.com

I'm offering $10,000.00.

However, I'm not sure Randy's offer still stands. I read a few months
back that he's proved his point and plans on using those funds for
something else. if I remember correctly, I think he plans on
discontinuing the offer at the tenth anniversary of it's inception.

LOGOS

--- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, Judy Weismonger
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> GUY, THERE IS A REWARD OF $1 MILLION DOLLARS TO PROVE THE EXISTENCE
OF GOD, GHOSTS, THE DEVIL, SATAN, DEMONS, MIRACLES, ANGELS, ESP,
TELEPATHY, CARD READING, RELIGIOUS PROPHECY, MAGIC, LEVITATION,
CHANNELING, WITCHCRAFT, FAITH HEALING, PRAYER, VOODOO, PSYCHIC
KINESES, SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION, REMOTE VIEWING, CHUPACABRAS, ...AND
EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGION AND SUPERSTITION....
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> THIS REWARD BY THE "AMAZING RANDI" HAS BEEN OUT IN THE PUBLIC FOR
AT LEAST 20 YEARS...AND ALTHOUGH A FEW HAVE TRIED TO FOOL THE AMAZING
RANDI...THEY HAVE NOT, AND WHEN SUCH EXTRA ORDINARY OCCURENCES ARE
ATTEMPTED IN THE LABORATORY UNDER CONDITIONS WHERE THEY CANNOT
CHEAT...NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVE SUCH THINGS EXIST.
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> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Guy Becker <primas_4@...> wrote:
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> From: Guy Becker <primas_4@...>
> Subject: Re: [A ChristianVsAtheist Club] Re: Atheism’s Theistic
Concepts--YEAH? LIKE WHAT?
> To: achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:59 AM
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> Dear Logos and Ken,
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> I agree with you, Logos, regarding the Deists.  The whole concept
smacks of, if it doesn't outright admit, a god or some sort or
another.  That would make it theistic.
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> As "atheism" is simply--no more or less--than a negation of a
single given premise regarding the existence of gods, one's "atheist
license" isn't revoked because of ghosts.
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> There are naturalistic explanations, even if they are absurd, as to
how ghosts and the like exist.
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> In that sense, it seems to me that these beliefs are superstitious
(or perhaps just misinformed if one works within a naturalistic model
to explain these paranormal events), as Ken put it.  They are not
exclusively theistic or religious in nature, though they are oft
intertwined.
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> Even if the atheist held no naturalistic views regarding the
existence of the "paranormal, " it still seems only fair to adhere to
a rather literal approach to atheism.
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> If not, then it almost becomes necessary to give the theists points
for confusing asserting a new premise and negating an old one.
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> Respectfully yours,
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> Guy
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> --- On Sun, 12/28/08, The_Dhampire_ LOGOS <the_dhampire_
logos@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: The_Dhampire_ LOGOS <the_dhampire_ logos@yahoo. com>
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> Subject: [A ChristianVsAtheist Club] Re: Atheism’s Theistic
Concepts--YEAH? LIKE WHAT?
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> To: achristianvsatheist club@yahoogroups .com
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> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:49 PM
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> --- In achristianvsatheist club@yahoogroups .com, "mundanezen"
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> <gutrek@> wrote:
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> > --- In achristianvsatheist club@yahoogroups .com,
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> "The_Dhampire_ LOGOS"
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> > <the_dhampire_ logos@> wrote:
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> > > Yep, I find it interesting too. It's interesting to me that
many
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> > > the "popular" world religions have 'gods' that are
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> > > own affairs and people are an afterthought at best. They aren't
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> all
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> > > that instrumental to us having a happy afterlife. Take the
older
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> > > versions of Buddhism for instance. We can reincarnate into
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> anything
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> > > from devils on up to 'gods' (Devi, Deva), but it's Karma
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> that is
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> the
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> > > great equalizer and doles out justice. A Thai can pray to the
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> White
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> > > Tara for a loan/gift of "merit" (grace?) in order to adjust
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> that
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> > > cosmic score card a little bit, but in the end we're supposed
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> > > what we deserve and it's largely out of the hands of the
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> [[> I think a lot of the supernatural Buddhist beliefs are baggage
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> from Hinduism. ]]
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> Yup, it is, and higher and lower beings is a part of reincarnation.
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> [[For me the purpose of Buddhism, as well as any religion, is
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> > the practice, zazen being the Zen form. Hinduism has ita yoga
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> > practice. Catholicism has its contemplative Carmelite order.
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> They're
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> > all doing something (which ironically is often sitting still and
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> doing
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> > nothing) in order to understand themselves better. By that
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> definition
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> > you could argue that various psychology exercises are a form of
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> > religious practice, I suppose.]]
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> I've heard it said that the Tibetan version of Buddhism has a form
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> belief examination (much like the Socratic Method) that resembles
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> Cognitive Therapy.
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> [[> What I don't understand is the "just believe" crowd.
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> You're
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> > to just believe in supernatural events, entities, symbols, and
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> rituals
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> > without reasonable evidence? And then wait around for some future
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> > magical event that will save you and other believers? I don't
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> > understand how people over the age of ten fall for this stuff.]]
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> Yup. Once you believe you're convinced, then you'll find that
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> you're
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> convinced, but only if you believe it first. ;-)
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> That's classic cult-think. 'god'/Jesus doesn't send you to
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> heaven for
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> feeding the poor, but rather for believing something very silly
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> instead. In theory, Gandhi is in hell while Hitler could have had a
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> death-bed repentance and be in heaven right now, when it was Gandhi
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> who fed the widows and orphans and turned the other cheek. Where's
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> the justice in that?
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> [[> But I digress. Is it possible to be non-religious yet not an
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> atheist?
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> > I'm still not clear on that. Like I said, you could have people
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> who
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> > believe in some supernatural stuff, like ghosts, but who don't
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> worship
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> > them. Wouldn't those people just be called superstitious?
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> > Ken]]
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> The only example I'm aware of, of people who are non-religious non-
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> atheists would be deists, who believe in a "creator" who set the
big
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> bang in motion (one might say) and then took a train out of town
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> isn't taking any messages.
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> I consider religion as the belief that some "supernatural" or
magical
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> agents or forces control human destiny, and religious practice is
to
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> either (a) appeal to these agents or forces to affect their
destiny,
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> or (b) to live in harmony with these forces (like with the Tao or,
in
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> some sense, Karma) in an effort to live a better destiny. It seems
to
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> me that deism wouldn't be religious but it would be theistic.
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